tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1079140992911943780.post6998789803898350054..comments2021-10-23T10:22:50.475-04:00Comments on And The Truth Shall Set You Free...: Why the Barack Obama Birth Certificate Issue Is LegitimateLuMeLhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14645904612010708715noreply@blogger.comBlogger1125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1079140992911943780.post-82939961882913777182008-12-16T19:14:00.000-05:002008-12-16T19:14:00.000-05:00Re: "Had he disclosed his vault copy."There is a s...Re: "Had he disclosed his vault copy."<BR/><BR/>There is a simple explanation of why he did not disclose his vault copy.<BR/><BR/>The explanation is that Hawaii does not issue authentic copies of the vaulted birth certificate any more. They issue ONLY the certificate of live birth, which is what Obama has posted.<BR/><BR/>How do I know? I asked the Department of Health of Hawaii, which replied:<BR/><BR/>Quotes<BR/><BR/>It is possible that we have records with more information but we issue only certified computer-generated certificates with certain necessary information to confirm a birth. We are the only agency that issues certified birth records for Hawaii <BR/>Aloha, <BR/>(Name removed)<BR/>End Quote<BR/><BR/>I have seen copies of Hawaii original certificates of birth on line (which include considerable details), but these were saved copies of the documents that were issued at the time of birth. The DOH of Hawaii does not issue these documents to adults who request their birth certificate. You can check, by asking your own questions by e-mail at vr-info@doh.hawaii.gov <BR/><BR/>So the question is therefore whether the certification of live birth is accurate in the one thing that matters, Obama’s place of birth.<BR/><BR/>You say "Under Hawaiian law, it is possible (both legally and illegally) for a person to have been born out of state, yet have a birth certificate on file in the Department of Health."<BR/><BR/>Yes this is true, but it does not affect Obama's situation because Obama does not merely have a Hawaiian birth document. He has a Hawaiian birth document THAT SAYS THAT HE WAS BORN IN HAWAII ON IT.<BR/><BR/>Yes. Hawaii can issue a birth certificate to children who were not born in Hawaii provided that their parents lived in Hawaii. HOWEVER, Hawaii law does not allow its departments to lie about the place of birth.<BR/><BR/>So, when a child is born outside of Hawaii and the parents have lived in Hawaii for the right amount of time and apply for a Hawaiian birth document, Hawaii can issue a certification of live birth stating the name of the child, the parents, the date of birth, etc. <BR/><BR/>BUT where the document says: “Place of birth,” the location has to be filled in honestly as the place of birth where the child was actually born. There is nothing in the law that says: “We allow you to pick a location within Hawaii, select the island of birth, choose the city and the county and put that location down as the place of birth and we will list it the way you say.” <BR/><BR/>Why not? Because (1) that would be a lie; (2) It simply isn’t in the law, and why should it be? (3) IF it were allowed under Hawaii law, Hawaii would in effect be making US citizens out of people who are not born in the USA; (4) IF Hawaii did that, the US State Department would learn soon enough that people who were born outside of the USA had proof of US citizenship issued by Hawaii, and as a result the State Department would not issue passports to people with Hawaii birth documents. (But the US State Deparement DOES issue passports to people with Hawaii documents.)<BR/><BR/>In other words, it is misleading to imply that because Hawaii can issue birth certificates to persons born outside of Hawaii that this loophole allowed Obama to be registered as born in Hawaii even though he may have been born elsewhere. If he were born in Kenya, his certification would have to say “born in Kenya.” And, for that matter, if he was born in New Jersey, his certification would have to say “born in New Jersey.”<BR/><BR/>An example of this is Obama’s sister, who was born in Indonesia and yet has a Hawaii birth document issued under the law allowing Hawaii birth certificates. She has a Hawaii certification of live birth, but that certification says on it “born in Indonesia.” <BR/><BR/>In contrast, Obama’s certification of live birth says on it: “born in Hawaii.” In fact, it says Location of Birth: Honolulu; Island of Birth: Oahu; County of Birth: Honolulu.smrstrausshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17130680385818556655noreply@blogger.com